Talk:New Right (Israel)

This should not be a political party but rather a Knesset faction

The distinction is subtle but important. I'm not experienced enough to mess with the "political party" templates to address this, though. The actual party is Tzalash, which I've already started trying to update. Kimpire (talk) 10:37, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

To my understanding, they are using Tzalash for technical reasons as a "Shelf Party". The Hebrew article explains that. The party is the "New Right", but they are using Tzalash for legal purposes to avoid rules around founding new parties, because Tzalash is already registered. ShimonChai (talk) 11:41, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

It's not a Knesset faction until it's been recognised by the Speaker. I agree that the Tzalash article should be kept separate as they are just using it for its registration. Number 57 12:16, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't know enough about internal Knesset bylaws - what specifically was accomplished this morning, then, if not the creation of the Knesset faction? Kimpire (talk) 12:29, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

It looks like the split has been approved, but I would wait until it formally appears here before making any changes. Number 57 12:36, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Acceptable. In general, though, I think we should not make assumptions as to what the various organizations are going to be used for. Tzalash is a political party; New Right is a Knesset faction. They should be represented as such in the articles. We have no idea if Bennett will create a new party called New Right and jettison Tzalash next year - or if he'll recruit other right-wing parties under the New Right name and turn it into a standard Zionist Union-style or UTJ-style umbrella faction - or if he'll keep the status quo and stick with Tzalash as the only party in the faction named New Right. We shouldn't assume anything. Yes, he grabbed a shelf party that was being unused, but by law this is still a party and that is still a Knesset faction. They should be reflected as such in their articles. Kimpire (talk) 12:46, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, they are simply using the registration of Tzalash to create the New Right – it's like franchising in sport. I think this is accurately reflected in the articles at the moment. Number 57 12:56, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Even if you're right (see below) that doesn't reflect the legal reality. Regardless of what Bennett intends to use it for someday, right now the New Right has the legal status of a Knesset faction only.

I'll grant that this is an unusual state of affairs. In most cases, a Knesset faction has the same name as the party that it represents (the Likud is the Likud, Meretz is Meretz). You generally only have a different name for your faction if it comprises more than one party. Compare, for instance, United Torah Judaism, The Joint List, and the Zionist Union. These three organizations have the same legal status as New Right does, but their articles refer to those entities as "alliances" and "coalitions". They're not referred to as "parties" because they aren't parties. New Right is an alliance of parties just like these others, it just happens to be an alliance of one.

Is that strange? Of course. Which is why some political reporters (e.g. https://twitter.com/LahavHarkov/status/1079275051994791936) have speculated that Bennett has deliberately separated the names of his faction and his party because he is preparing the groundwork to convince Jewish Home to join with him under the New Right label. That would imply he really is planning to keep Tzalash as his party permanently, and use New Right only as a faction name. That's why I keep saying that we can't assume anything about his motives, and should only go by the legality of the situation. Kimpire (talk) 13:22, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

We have precedence for this; for example, Hatnuah was founded using the registration of Hetz. Legal technicalities are not something we need to be dealing with (it's a similar case for football clubs, where reformed clubs are often separate legal entities, but they are treated as a continuity of the old one as that's how they are widely regarded). Number 57 14:05, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, but didn't Livni rename the party to Hatnuah when she did that? Bennett, by all accounts, isn't planning on doing this. Kimpire (talk) 14:17, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

This appears to be officially resolved now with the Knesset recognizing The New Right as a normal party. ShimonChai (talk) 16:01, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

English or Hebrew?

According to https://twitter.com/LahavHarkov/status/1079084860378107904, Bennett wants the party to be referred to as "HaYemin HeHadash" in English as well. What's Wikipedia's policy on this sort of thing? Do we comply? Kimpire (talk) 13:24, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

We refer to the party however it's commonly referred to in English publications. What Bennett wants isn't applicable. Number 57 14:02, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Arab members?

Does this party have Arab (or other non-Jewish) members? The article only says that the party aims to be open to religious and secular "people". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.141.2.45 (talk) 00:56, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

The New Right effectively no longer exists

There are three types of entities in Israeli politics: a party, a list, and a Knesset faction.

The New Right is:

• Not a Knesset faction, because it is not in the Knesset. At best it is a former Knesset faction.

• Not a list, because all of its members are running on the Yemina.

• Not a party. If you look at https://bechirot22.bechirot.gov.il/election/Candidates/Pages/OneListCandidates.aspx?LPF=Search&WebId=6adadc15-e476-480b-9746-04490aedeb0f&ListID=ba72a662-765c-45af-9d48-fb68080956af&ItemID=145&FieldID=ListNickname_GxS_Text, all of its members are listed as belonging to the Tzalash party.

This article should be significantly edited to reflect that. I wanted to WP:BEBOLD and just rewrite the entire article on that basis, but I thought I'd ask for input on it first. Kimpire (talk) 06:51, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

It is still a party as far as I can see. Yamnia is an alliance of parties, so New Right's members being on the Yamina does not mean that it no longer exists. Tzalash was used as the registered entity to create New Right in the first place, so it is possibly just the case that they did not get round to changing its legal name and have to be listed as Tzalash. Basically Tzalash and New Right are the same thing. Number 57 18:00, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

But that's exactly my point. The party registration is Tzalash, and the party members are running on the Yemina list. You could call The New Right an unofficial faction within Yemina, I suppose, but the only legal entity with that name is the former, three-member Knesset faction that ended in April. Kimpire (talk) 07:37, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I think you have missed my point slightly. The legal name of the party may be Tzalash, but they are still presenting themselves to the public as the New Right (their Facebook and Twitter accounts under that name are still active). It's effectively a trading as situation. Number 57 16:36, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Then shouldn't the article portray that situation explicitly? 17:46, 15 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimpire (talk • contribs)

What wording would you suggest? It already states that Tzalash was used as the legal vehicle to form the party. Number 57 17:58, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

The New Right is still around after the dissolving of Yamina: [1], making this discussion a moot point. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:58, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 14 June 2021

In the Knesset Election Results section, for 2021, add that it is a part of government rather than leave it as "TBD" Not Another NPC (talk) 03:50, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

And mention its current status in the lede! Should say " won three seats in the subsequent election of September 2019, retained these in the March 2020 election, and increased to 7 seats in the March 2021 election." AJD (talk) 06:57, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 September 2021

Please remove the citation to dailywire.com which is in a cluster with two other citations. Not only is the Daily Wire citation unnecessary (WP:TOOMANYREFS), but according to WP:RSP DW is considered generally unreliable. Platonk (talk) 07:15, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done — LauritzT (talk) 07:51, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

The current wording is not Wikipedia enough

On 9 May 2021, it was reported that Bennett and Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid had made major headway in the coalition talks for forming a new Israeli government.[36][37] On 30 May 2021, going against their constituents' will,[38] all but one Yamina MK agreed to back joining a coalition government with Lapid.[39]

The current wording is not Wikipedia enough. This journalistic report is not based on data. There are many voters who are happy with joining the coalition. And even if it is true that there are those who are not satisfied, it is certainly not everyone. --הלל פישרמן (talk) 20:51, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Correction

77.124.41.76 (talk) 20:27, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

The New Right is not a far-right party.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:37, 18 May 2022 (UTC)